Tuesday, December 15, 2009

Walk A Mile In My Shoes

Wow guys! Thank you sooooo much for all the advice and support. You answered most of my questions and gave me lots of stuff to think about. I realize now that I've only been scratching the surface of all the extra stuff I could be doing in my little corner of cyberspace.

One thing I realized is how uneducated I am when it comes to all these tech things. I just kinda skimmed over all the talk about links and widgets and stuff. When it comes to the technical stuff, I am such a girl. I usually just call my Techno-Nerd and say "read this and call me back." Poor Eric - don't be too hard on him since he helps me maintain this site as a favor.

So expect to see some changes around here soon. I'd like to get those handy links up as soon as possible. It's funny - when I started I wanted to educate everyone out there about what really goes on in a parlor. Now it turns out that I have to know all this internet stuff so I can do it professionally! Like I'm a real professor of handjobs or something. I wanted to tell stories, but I never realized it would ever get so SERIOUS.

Now to answer some of your interesting questions...

You wanna job giving massages and handjobs all day in various states of undress? Welcome to it. We always welcome newbies who aren't druggies or strippers (no offense to my sex-worker cousins out there, but some of you just have really bad work ethics). The reason why I can charge a guy $80 to see me topless and get a hand release is... (drum roll please)... because I can. It's the going rate. Basic market dynamics, just like everything else on the planet. Whether you view my job as easy or not has nothing to do with the market rate for a massage and happy ending.

Look at the guy that empties your garbage can once a week. Is the work hard? Yes. Does he get paid well for it? Yes. It has to be yes, because if garbagemen got paid badly, no one would offer to do it. You want to switch jobs with me? Go ahead - but as a guy you'd have zero customers, zero dollars, but 8 hours of quality TV time. This job does require a certain set of skills (and a vagina).

The reason I've done this so successfully and for this long is because I take it more seriously than most. Unlike some of the druggies and skanks I've worked with, I don't view each customer as just another step towards getting my next fix. To me it's always been about getting the customer comfortable enough so they want to come back. Put it this way, a newbie is $80 one time only. A Regular is $150 every week/month/etc.

OK, enough of me rambling on about my MY work ethics. Unfortunately, I don't have any good freak of the week stories for you right now. I did have my shopping date, but that story ends with a lobster dinner and not a happy ending. Sorry guys, but sometime a girl needs her own happy ending, and mine was coated in butter and served with a roll!

32 comments:

Travis said...

CJ: "If garbagemen got paid badly, no one would offer to do it."

Ummm... garbage work does pay badly.

http://www.nuffy.net/articles/top-10-worst-jobs-in-usa.html

Look, I'm okay with capitalism. I can accept that some people have to trade their safety and comfort to earn $13.93 an hour, while CJ makes $80 an hour just for having a vagina. Some people are just born lucky.

But what annoys me, CJ, is your nonstop bitching and pleas for attention. Audrey this, recession that whine whine whine. How about just once, you come to work and say "Aren't I blessed to have the vagina that enables me to get this job. Aren't I lucky to have the erotic capital that inspires customers to pay me at 4X their pay rate? Maybe I'll just stop complaining today.

Anonymous said...

CJ: "The reason why I can charge a guy $80 to see me topless and get a hand release is... (drum roll please)... because I can. It's the going rate."


Exactly. Proof why some men are so stupid.

If none of them would agree to pay more than $40, then that would be the going rate.

Reflex said...

Travis - So stop reading. And you seem obsessed with the idea that some jobs pay better for certain genders. Welcome to reality. Try being a highly skilled female executive sometime and enjoy being massivley underpaid for your lack of a penis.

CJ - Since it keeps coming up, and since you keep asking us for Q&A questions, out of curiosity what would you say the average monthly/yearly income is for a person in your position? Not necessarily your personal income, no reason to share that and yours would be based on your regulars and so forth, but rather what another girl with similiar assets and a decent approach to the job could expect to make.

Travis said...

Reflex: Some people (male and female) benifet from sexism. Other people get screwed. All I'm saying is that CJ is in the first category, and I'm the second.

I'm not looking for sympathy, I just want CJ to respect the fact that she got a pretty sweet deal.

Anonymous said...

Dude,

Talk about whining! You want to make $80 an hour, go do it. It's there for you. I'm not saying it's there for you tomorrow, but you could certainly set yourself on a trajectory to get there. But you would have to stop bitching and make that your goal.

Assuming CJ actually makes what she says, it does come with a hidden cost, even if CJ doesn't recognize it. Consider yourself lucky.

Reflex said...

Anon said it best. The only people who think thats a lot of money are those who haven't made it. And as pointed out before, its not like she averages $80/hour 40 hours per week. If you want that, there are plenty of trades that will help you get there, some even favor men very heavily.

BTW, if you think CJ dosen't trade her safety and comfort for her income you haven't been reading this blog for very long. I also take issue with your implication that she only does as well as she does due to having a vagina, haven't you paid attention to the work ethic she has developed that has allowed her to build repeat customers? And where were you back when she was worried about making the rent due to the downturn killing off business, back when she was lucky to see one or two customers for an entire shift?

Or is it easier to bitch selectively, only when her posts fit your chosen narrative perfectly?

Travis said...

Anon: "You want to make $80 an hour, go do it. It's there for you. I'm not saying it's there for you tomorrow, but you could certainly set yourself on a trajectory to get there."

It doesn't make any sense to compare what I could possibly earn someday in 20 years to what any non-druggie girl can earn on her first day. Yes, men can earn $80 an hour, but not as easily as women like CJ can.

Reflex:

"Its not like she averages $80/hour 40 hours per week."

We've discussed this before. If she has lots of customers, she makes a lot of money. If she has few customers, she gets a lot of free time. Either way, she wins.

I also take issue with your implication that she only does as well as she does due to having a vagina, haven't you paid attention to the work ethic she has developed that has allowed her to build repeat customers.

In most careers, coming in to work on time, staying away from drugs, and trying to please the customer is expected, not exemplary.

"If you want that, there are plenty of trades that will help you get there, some even favor men very heavily."

Name a job that pays $80 an hour, that a man get get on his first day with no experience.

And where were you back when she was worried about making the rent due to the downturn killing off business, back when she was lucky to see one or two customers for an entire shift?

One customer a shift = $80 a day. I could live off that if I only to work 1 hour a day.

mariam said...

CJ, if you require more advice on how to monetize, I'd be willing to help. Also that other anon person on the other post as well. I can be reached at helpblog911[at]gmail.com.

As you can tell by my addy, I like to help people out.

And CJ, just because you're a girl, you can do this!

Anonymous said...

It doesn't make any sense to compare what I could possibly earn someday in 20 years to what any non-druggie girl can earn on her first day. Yes, men can earn $80 an hour, but not as easily as women like CJ can.

If you set yourself the goal of making $80 an hour and it took you 20 years to get there, you'd be a loser.

Now yes, there are people who don't get there in 20 years, and they aren't necessarily losers because that's not their goal. There are other things in life like family, friends, self-respect, feeling you're making a difference, etc. that people gladly sacrifice money for.

But your constant whining about how tough it is for you and (supposedly) how easy it is for others says all we need to know about your prospects of success.

Reflex said...

"It doesn't make any sense to compare what I could possibly earn someday in 20 years to what any non-druggie girl can earn on her first day. Yes, men can earn $80 an hour, but not as easily as women like CJ can."
Spoken like a true loser. In my field that wage is attainable within about three years if thats your goal. And my level of education is GED, I took the time to train myself(tech industry). In other fields a year at a trade school and some paid time training in the field and you can make money like that in no time. Ever look up what an electrician or plumber makes and how low the education level has to be? Maybe they don't make it day one, but they also have far higher ceilings than CJ has in her career...

"We've discussed this before. If she has lots of customers, she makes a lot of money. If she has few customers, she gets a lot of free time. Either way, she wins."
So not being able to pay the rent is a 'win'. Got it. Thats like saying "You can get a job and get paid and be able to pay your bills, or you can stay unemployed and have lots of free time on the streets, either way you win!"

"In most careers, coming in to work on time, staying away from drugs, and trying to please the customer is expected, not exemplary."
Whoever said it wasn't expected in her line of work as well? As someone presumably with work experience, what is expected and what is delivered from the typical employee are radically different things. And yes, doing the basics with a good attitude more often than not defines exemplary.

"Name a job that pays $80 an hour, that a man get get on his first day with no experience."
Drug dealing. After all since you are trying to make comparisons lets go apples to apples. CJ's work is not legal, and thats a *big* part of why she makes the money she does. In a legal, regulated market she'd likely make far less and face far more competition. Instead she takes a risk, and part of her compensation is for that risk.

"One customer a shift = $80 a day. I could live off that if I only to work 1 hour a day."
You must be a college student. I haven't lived on that amount since I was a teenager. My guess though is that CJ has more responsibilities than you, and thus $80/day is probably not enough to live off of.

Little Red said...

"We've discussed this before. If she has lots of customers, she makes a lot of money. If she has few customers, she gets a lot of free time. Either way, she wins."

As an erotic masseuse myself, I have to say that the "free time" isn't all its cracked up to be. That's time that you're not making anything. Its like only going to work for maybe 2 hours, but having to sit around work and not get paid. Would you want to sit around work all day and not get paid?

And Travis, this is CJ's blog. She can write whatever she want because this is HER BLOG. I honestly appreciate the fact that she tells how she feels about her occupation. Be it happy or bitchy.

Anonymous said...

Travis, CJ does have training. A licensed LMT in most states takes about a year of training, sometimes more or less depending on the school. Are there jobs for men that take a year of training that men can do and earn as much as CJ? Probably.

There are differences, but I doubt that CJ earns anywhere near 80/hr. Maybe close some days, but even she says some days you go to work and no one comes in. While I don't know her entire job setup, someone is paying for that building and the bills required to keep it up (water, electric etc), I highly doubt Audrey is paying for that out of her own pocket.

As for your article, most of that is subjective. There is no context on what the $13.00 an hour really means. If they earn $13, and the average in the area is only $8 an hour well, I guess the trash guy makes out pretty well for himself.

What CJ discusses about the her job and a recession is fair accurate though. Other people have looked at similar information, underwear was one that comes to mind. Basically mens spending on "extra" things goes up when they have money, down when they don't. Kind of a no brainer really, but if you were to ask a stripper about her tips and regulars about the same time CJ talks about it they would probably give you the same answer.

Also Travis I don't know what you think "a lot of money" is, but I doubt that CJ is making much more than the rest of us. I can do some estimated math, regardless of CJ verifing any numbers I put up some will believe what I say and some won't. Another thing to note is that I doubt the going rate for a happy ending has changed much since CJ has stated her line of business. While I have been fairly lucky, I still get 3% raises every year, so my going rate has gone up $2.25 an hour for the three years I have been at my current job. This doesn't include promotions and bonuses that CJ can't really get. So while CJ had a higher starting pay there is a definite cap on her income. You may refuse to believe it, but there is a huge cap on what a massage therapist is actually capable of doing. If she actually does more than 8-9 therapeutic massages a day she'd wear herself out fairly quickly (think within a year) and have to find a new job, or incure significan medical expenses. While she'd never end up doing that at her current job, if she did just 8 regular massages a day+happy ending she'd be dead tired and probably would wear herself down within a month.

So in summary, CJ earned good money up front, but her promotional aspects are slim to none. She's probably well known amoung her clientele, so she is doing better to much better than the average girl in her area, but she isn't going to get a significant permenant pay increase and her rates don't adjust much for inflation (standard COLA happens at several jobs as well, and CJ won't really get that either). She also has a cap on how much work she can do and how long she can do it for. So taken all of that into account she'd better make damned good money.

Travis said...

As an erotic masseuse myself, I have to say that the "free time" isn't all its cracked up to be. That's time that you're not making anything. Its like only going to work for maybe 2 hours, but having to sit around work and not get paid. Would you want to sit around work all day and not get paid?

Well let's see you read, play games, talk to people, educate yourself... pretty much everything you can do at home, you can do at work during your time off.

Travis said...

Reflex: "In my field that wage is attainable within about three years if thats your goal. And my level of education is GED, I took the time to train myself(tech industry).

What kind of tech work are you in? Computers? Heating and AC? Electricity? Because of none of those jobs pay $80/hour.

In other fields a year at a trade school and some paid time training in the field and you can make money like that in no time. Ever look up what an electrician or plumber makes and how low the education level has to be? Maybe they don't make it day one, but they also have far higher ceilings than CJ has in her career..."

Electrician: http://www.bls.gov/k12/build06.htm

Plumber: http://www.bls.gov/k12/build06.htm

So if you work your ass off and get into the top 10% of earners, maybe you can $35/hour in those careers.

So not being able to pay the rent is a 'win'. Got it. Thats like saying "You can get a job and get paid and be able to pay your bills, or you can stay unemployed and have lots of free time on the streets, either way you win!"

Welcome to the private sector! You think the rest of us don't have to deal with shortned hours or (God forbid) unemployment? The difference is that even in good times, only about 3% of the population makes more than $80 an hour.

Drug dealing. After all since you are trying to make comparisons lets go apples to apples.

First off: drug dealers are a lot more likely to get shot than happy endingz dealers.

Secondly: Most drug dealers make less than minimum wage.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/freakonomics/pdf/DrugGangFinances.pdf

"You must be a college student. I haven't lived on that amount since I was a teenager. My guess though is that CJ has more responsibilities than you, and thus $80/day is probably not enough to live off of."

What, she has a kid or something?

You don't need that much money to survive. I personally would rather have an extra 7 hours free time in my day than purchase and extra $70 of toys. And I'm not the only one.

Travis said...

Anon: Travis, CJ does have training. A licensed LMT in most states takes about a year of training, sometimes more or less depending on the school

But she's already said that they hire girls without the LMT. An LMT helps CJ, but is not essential the way her vagina is.

Are there jobs for men that take a year of training that men can do and earn as much as CJ? Probably.

Show me some data and then we can talk. Between the garbagemen, technicians, plumbers, electricians and drug dealers, you guys have consistantly thrown assertions that other careers make more than CJ. And then I had to look up the data to prove you all false. So this time, why don't you find the data to support your assertion first, and then we can talk.

There are differences, but I doubt that CJ earns anywhere near 80/hr. Maybe close some days, but even she says some days you go to work and no one comes in.

We know she earns at least $80/hour for her working time. She also gets a lot of free time. So either she has a low to mid paying job with a lot of free time, or she has high paying job with little free time. Most people get neither.

While I don't know her entire job setup, someone is paying for that building and the bills required to keep it up (water, electric etc), I highly doubt Audrey is paying for that out of her own pocket.

That's where the door fee comes in.

As for your article, most of that is subjective. There is no context on what the $13.00 an hour really means. If they earn $13, and the average in the area is only $8 an hour well, I guess the trash guy makes out pretty well for himself.

Those are BLS statistics that tell you what the median trash guy earns in the United States. CJ was comparing her job to trash collector, saying that it was a tough job with high pay. The problem is CJ's job is easy with high pay, while the trash man's job is tough with low pay.


What CJ discusses about the her job and a recession is fair accurate though. Other people have looked at similar information, underwear was one that comes to mind. Basically mens spending on "extra" things goes up when they have money, down when they don't. Kind of a no brainer really, but if you were to ask a stripper about her tips and regulars about the same time CJ talks about it they would probably give you the same answer.

Already answered this.

Anonymous said...

The amount of time you spend talking about all the time off you want is probably why you'll never make $80 per hour.

I was out of college about 6 years when I made $80 an hour, and if I'd been smarter and more interested in doing it, I'd have been there at least a year sooner, if not two.

If you want to earn that starting right out, go to law school.

I even know people with zero formal education making that. It's called "entrepreneurship."

$80 per hour is so easy to make, it's laughable, but you're right. You'll never make it if you're determined to make it only on your terms.

Regardless, it's clear you're a loser.

Travis said...

Anon: I was out of college about 6 years when I made $80 an hour, and if I'd been smarter and more interested in doing it, I'd have been there at least a year sooner, if not two.

So it took you six years then, not one day.

If you want to earn that starting right out, go to law school.

And once again, I have to pull out the data to dispove people's half-assed assertions.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Attorney_%2F_Lawyer/Salary

A starting lawyer is not going to be making $80/hour. If we assume a standard 2000 hour workyear (40 hours a week, with 2 weeks for holidays and vacations) you'd have to have to be in the top 1% of your field AND have 20 years of experience to pull that much.

Now, I will grant you that a lawyer probably gets a bigger paycheck than CJ. But the job requires so much more work. Particularly when you're starting out, lawyers often work 50-60 hours/wk. So while other jobs may pay more than erotic masseuse, I can't think of a job that pays so much, for so little.

$80 per hour is so easy to make, it's laughable

Then why is the median person stuck at $15/hr?

http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/oes_nat.htm#b00-0000

Anonymous said...

Well, Travis, I am posting anonymously, so I can't fault you for not realizing I'm the same person, but I already admitted most people can't get it straight out of college. I told you that you can put yourself on the trajectory for $80 per hour, but you'd be unlikely to do it tomorrow.

As for pulling up average statistics, good job. I don't think that way. My assumption is that you'll work to be above average. Average people don't make $80 per hour. Exceptional ones do. And again, I'm assuming that earning that much is your goal. Plenty of "exceptional" people have other goals and don't make that much.

I know a couple attorneys who made $80 an hour right out of school, but they interned with the companies that hired them, graduated in the top 1% of their class, and did what they had to to be successful. I don't know any attorneys who don't earn that much after 10 years. But then again, we're talking people who built their own law practice and not those who chose the safety of working for someone else. Again, it's called "entrepreneurship."

I don't know what your exact situation is, but I'd wager that if you wanted to make $80 an hour, you could be doing it inside of 6-7 years, and that includes any additional training you might need.

But again, from all your excuses and your insistance that the game is stacked against you (I guess because you aren't a chick), you appear not to be willing to do what it takes. Since you are so consumed by this question of money and how much others make and yet are not willing to do what you need to yourself, instead choosing to tear down other peoples' path to it, that makes you a loser.

P.S. Anyone beyond an intern whose goal is wealth and who makes only $15 an hour is sad.

Anonymous said...

Travis - so if you take what CJ makes in a year and divide by the number of hours that she is at work, what do you think that number is? I would guess that it is significantly less than $80 per hour. That would be the comparison that you should be making. If you look at the BLS data for other personal care services, which CJ would fall into, it averages around $15 per hour.

Also, if you have read through all her blog entries, you would know how many workers have not been able to cut it at The Business. Also, CJ has written about the difficulties of actually finding workers when the economy was better and they were busy.

There have also been many studies that show that attractive people are found to be more successful and paid better than less attractive people with the same skill set.

I would wager that CJ is also in the top 1% of her business as well as far as being able to work consistently for the time period that she has be at The Business. It is easy to find outliers in almost all statistical data, just as you appear to be an outlier in you reaction to CJ's posts. Most of us love reading CJ's blog entries and having a glimpse into her world - the good and the bad.

I just hope that complainers like you don't make CJ decide not to share anymore.

- A Different Anonymous (and CJ supporter)

Reflex said...

"What kind of tech work are you in? Computers? Heating and AC? Electricity? Because of none of those jobs pay $80/hour."
Software engineering. And yes you can earn that very quickly, especially if you are a developer. Network admins, database developers, coders, program managers, etc. Most of the people I work with make more than that. Very very few are over the age of 35. The ramp up is quick if you are any good at it, and the training is something that can be done on your own. Plus, as the anon keeps pointing out, unlimited opportunities for entrepeneurship if your creative. Entry level jobs in my field doing, say, game testing, start at around $40k and quickly ramp up. A skilled tester can move to $60k+ in a year or so, and someone who wants to add coding duties will be in six figures within three years.

"Electrician: http://www.bls.gov/k12/build06.htm

Plumber: http://www.bls.gov/k12/build06.htm

So if you work your ass off and get into the top 10% of earners, maybe you can $35/hour in those careers."

Some of the wealthiest people I know are in those trades. I never claimed that the average Joe off the street is going to make a fortune just by spending a year as an apprentice, but then as CJ points out, the average girl in her field is often a drug addict simply viewing each job as her next fix. They don't likely make what she does either, and compromise themselves far more.

"Welcome to the private sector! You think the rest of us don't have to deal with shortned hours or (God forbid) unemployment? The difference is that even in good times, only about 3% of the population makes more than $80 an hour."
You just eliminated your entire point here. We know you have to deal with those things. If you'd been reading the blog, you'd know CJ has been dealing with them as well. Less hours, fewer customers. BTW, CJ's job is also part of the private sector. As is mine. You also seem to miss the point that CJ is *not* making $80*40*52. If she is I'll eat my hat. I used to be a consultant. Charged over a hundred bucks an hour. My real world pay averaged to around $30/hour as not everything you do is billable(and there are tons of unexpected expenses). And I worked crazy amount of hours. Thats just reality. Thats also why I gave out and went to work for a corp.

Reflex said...

"First off: drug dealers are a lot more likely to get shot than happy endingz dealers.

Secondly: Most drug dealers make less than minimum wage.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/freakonomics/pdf/DrugGangFinances.pdf"

1) No they are not. Seriously, drug dealing is not as portrayed by Hollywood. Most dealers are people you'd never suspect. Virtually every job I've ever had had someone there dealing(and making pretty good money doing it). None were ever shot or killed or arrested. Hell, half of them produced their own stuff, kinda tough to get into a fight or get caught that way.

2) Freakonomics, while a very interesting read, is not nor does it claim to be an authority. It is a set of interesting corrolations with speculated causations and relationships. The study you reference is of a *specific* street gang, without outside control factors to determine if the results were typical or an artifact of that specific gang and its location. It certainly is not able to be compared to what a drug dealer in an affluent neighborhood can earn. Seeing what some drive, $80/hour average may be a lowball estimate.

"What, she has a kid or something?

You don't need that much money to survive. I personally would rather have an extra 7 hours free time in my day than purchase and extra $70 of toys. And I'm not the only one."

You don't need a house either. Public transit is fine. Goodwill is all you need for shopping. Expired food is cheaper at the store.

Hey, if we are arguing about basic survival then I am pretty sure that the fact that most of the world gets by on a few dollars a day means that your living pretty high on the hog as well. Good for you that you live so spartanly. The rest of us, however, may not mind working the other seven hours though and increasing our lot in life.

BTW, you miss one very major point: In order to get that hypothetical one customer for one hour, she has to stay through an entire 8 hour shift, regardless of whether or not another customer ever arrives. Its wasted time, one way or the other. If one customer comes in during a shift, she has earned $10/hour, minus taxes/insurance, for spending her day being bored. Or basically what Walgreens pays its employees.

Obviously at some times of the year she is far busier than that. And at other times she is slower(read her spring/summer posts). Some years its better. Some its worse. But its not some glorious super paying job like you seem to imagine. And I bet its not as simple as you believe either.

And btw, long as your demanding stats, suck on this: On average women in the US earn 82% of what their male peers earn. I guess that vagina only goes so far, eh?

http://www.bls.gov/ro9/wawomen.htm

Little Red said...

Travis, I think you have "vagina envy". OK, so you dress up as a woman and rub some guys off and you'll make what we do. Life isn't fair, women use to not be able to vote and men use to hold doors and pull out chairs. It is what it is!

Anonymous said...

I'll be damned if I ever give up my seat on the subway again.


/sarcasm

Anonymous said...

Yes, it would be easy to make $80 / hour with specific training and formal education. The point he was making was a bimbo blonde with a set of DDs that dropped out of middle schoolcould walk in, get a job, and be making $80 / hour - and it's not because of her skill set, but because of her assets.
The point he was making was to have some sort of self-reflection. People making $80 / hour legitimately are paid that way because the skills they bring to the table warrant that level of pay. You can go to a divorce lawyer that costs you $100 and you will get $100 worth of legal defense or you can go to a $100k divorce lawyer and more than likely get better legal represenation.
She is getting paid $80 / hour to massage because she has big tits and a cute figure, but I believe what Travis wants is for her to recognize that fact, and stop complaining about how hard things are for her.
Or perhaps imagine how much MORE difficult things would be for her if she didn't have an amazing rack - would she be able to pull in $80 / hour if she was an ugly, fat girl with a B cup?

Travis said...

Anon: She is getting paid $80 / hour to massage because she has big tits and a cute figure, but I believe what Travis wants is for her to recognize that fact, and stop complaining about how hard things are for her.

Nailed it.

Anonymous said...

Or perhaps imagine how much MORE difficult things would be for her if she didn't have an amazing rack - would she be able to pull in $80 / hour if she was an ugly, fat girl with a B cup?

Hasn't CJ said the other girls without the DDs make that much too? I remember reading a while back that one chick was even pregnant and still making the dough? If that's right, then the hourly wage is less about looks and more about quality of service. In fact, if you read most of CJ's posts, you'll find that's essentially what she says. The chicks who come in and don't offer that service, for whatever reason, generally wash out.

The truth is that CJ - and women in general - can make $80 an hour for sex work because there is a male clientele that enables it. The mere fact that Travis (presumably a man) is envious of CJ because men will pay her to have sex with them while no woman will pay him to have sex with her is exactly why CJ can do it. Women aren't on here jealous of CJ because, presumably, they don't see having sex with multiple anonymous strangers to be quite the boon many men (including Travis) do. In fact, most women don't want that, which is why those that engage in the activity earn money for doing it! The women who truly enjoy that lifestyle are the "lucky" few I guess.

Put another way, I bet there is a way Travis could make $80 an hour having sex. He could agree to become a homosexual prostitute. Now he has a clientele that will pay that rate for it. Not interested, Travis? Gee, I guess that's why it would take that kind of money or more to get you to do it then.

In short, don't hate the supplier. Hate the source of the demand. Those who are paying four times their hourly rate for one hour of CJ's times are not to be pitied as victims. They're idiots, but then our gender can never be said to be intelligent in this department.

Anonymous said...

Hey Little Red. Keep writing a shitty blog that no one reads. Oh. And get AIDS.

Mr Begotten said...

CJ:
Can you automatically block all these Anonymous dudes? You'd save us all a headache

Anonymous said...

Hey, I'm anonymous, like EVERYONE ELSE here, BTW!

That was painful and I couldn't read it all: some here are obviously WANKERS who only TALK about massages instead of actually getting some. Lots of speculation here, about income and what type of girl makes the most money. You guys thinking of getting a girl in business?!

I respect CJ's line of work and don't have a problem with what she makes or how she gets to make it. It's a free and capitalist country, folks. Whether you can sell, write, fix, or yank... as long as there's a market you're golden. Don't be jealous. We're ALL making money off our assets, be them physical or otherwise.

And you guys forgot to factor in the sugar daddies she mentioned, or the fact that some customers tip MORE than the rate. It's simply impossible to estimate CJ's income unless you're CJ, and I bet it fluctuates a lot anyway.
But in the end, who cares what a provider makes? Call me silly, but I'm only interested in how much she CHARGES!

Now does CJ deserve criticism? You bet.

For one thing her "ethics" aren't that great from her own admission elsewhere. I hope she makes a killing (I like whores), but even if in her area, I wouldn't consider patronizing her for a second. Those readers lavishing praise on her and fantasizing about that rack obviously have very little experience of the hobby. Much more can be had, and for much less. She lives in a bubble, like those escorts who think they're "worth" a grand an hour. Nobody is. You can find suckers who'll pay that, but don't say that's THE price. Because you have to look at the market, NOT The Business (her joint). And she really doesn't want you to, or she wouldn't be making stuff up about AMPs so much.

You see, I hate her constant put-downs of the competition (strippers, escorts, AMPs, etc.). Part of it is probably just ignorance, but CJ just sounds like she's protecting her turf and trying to shape the perceptions of the newbies naive about sex work (Come and see ME! I'm american and I have a diploma!).
So without exactly attacking her (some of you haters REALLY need a massage!), I've been doing my modest part to present a counterpoint here.

The truth as I see it is that there are MANY great providers out there, who will do all the things that CJ won't, with a smile, and for half the money. If you know where to look (if you're so lost that you don't, maybe you need another hobby), you'll even see some very hot ones. And contrary to what CJ implies, she's not the only one to be a LMT, as if that mattered to anyone but city and county officials, BTW.
Parlors with only LMTs on staff MAY have less chances to be raided, but if anything funny is going on, there'll always be a risk (just look at CJ sweat). I know I like LMTs for that reason alone, but visit some that know what they are (whores), go all the way, and don't hit you with a menu or rush you out.

Otherwise, I prefer mature (30-40) providers with average looks for the service and lack of conceit. Model-quality hookers give off that "princess" vibe I can't stand. If CJ dropped her bra to get me interested after I balked at her rates (as she's described doing before), I'd just say "nice ones" and WALK, laughing all the way to my car. Some mongers think with the big head too.

To address the speculation here, young and hot is of course in demand in parlors, but walk-ins get the luck of the draw, and parlors don't like "showing" the girls in order to keep the less attractive busy too. They do make less in tips and don't get requested much by the regulars, though.
In general, but not always, the more the house fee, the hotter the provider and the more, ahem, service too. Obviously not true of the Business.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I'm anonymous, like EVERYONE ELSE here, BTW!

That was painful and I couldn't read it all: some here are obviously WANKERS who only TALK about massages instead of actually getting some. Lots of speculation here, about income and what type of girl makes the most money. You guys thinking of getting a girl in business?!

I respect CJ's line of work and don't have a problem with what she makes or how she gets to make it. It's a free and capitalist country, folks. Whether you can sell, write, fix, or yank... as long as there's a market you're golden. Don't be jealous. We're ALL making money off our assets, be them physical or otherwise.

And you guys forgot to factor in the sugar daddies she mentioned, or the fact that some customers tip MORE than the rate. It's simply impossible to estimate CJ's income unless you're CJ, and I bet it fluctuates a lot anyway.
But in the end, who cares what a provider makes? Call me silly, but I'm only interested in how much she CHARGES!

Now does CJ deserve criticism? You bet.

For one thing her "ethics" aren't that great from her own admission elsewhere. I hope she makes a killing (I like whores), but even if in her area, I wouldn't consider patronizing her for a second. Those readers lavishing praise on her and fantasizing about that rack obviously have very little experience of the hobby. Much more can be had, and for much less. She lives in a bubble, like those escorts who think they're "worth" a grand an hour. Nobody is. You can find suckers who'll pay that, but don't say that's THE price. Because you have to look at the market, NOT The Business (her joint). And she really doesn't want you to, or she wouldn't be making stuff up about AMPs so much.

You see, I hate her constant put-downs of the competition (strippers, escorts, AMPs, etc.). Part of it is probably just ignorance, but CJ just sounds like she's protecting her turf and trying to shape the perceptions of the newbies naive about sex work (Come and see ME! I'm american and I have a diploma!).
So without exactly attacking her (some of you haters REALLY need a massage!), I've been doing my modest part to present a counterpoint here.

The truth as I see it is that there are MANY great providers out there, who will do all the things that CJ won't, with a smile, and for half the money. If you know where to look (if you're so lost that you don't, maybe you need another hobby), you'll even see some very hot ones. And contrary to what CJ implies, she's not the only one to be a LMT, as if that mattered to anyone but city and county officials, BTW.
Parlors with only LMTs on staff MAY have less chances to be raided, but if anything funny is going on, there'll always be a risk (just look at CJ sweat). I know I like LMTs for that reason alone, but visit some that know what they are (whores), go all the way, and don't hit you with a menu or rush you out.

Otherwise, I prefer mature (30-40) providers with average looks for the service and lack of conceit. Model-quality hookers give off that "princess" vibe I can't stand. If CJ dropped her bra to get me interested after I balked at her rates (as she's described doing before), I'd just say "nice ones" and WALK, laughing all the way to my car. Some mongers think with the big head too.

To address the speculation here, young and hot is of course in demand in parlors, but walk-ins get the luck of the draw, and parlors don't like "showing" the girls in order to keep the less attractive busy too. They do make less in tips and don't get requested much by the regulars, though.
In general, but not always, the more the house fee, the hotter the provider and the more, ahem, service too. Obviously not true of the Business.

Anonymous said...

@reflex: while I do believe there is still sexism in the world including the workplace you have to take the stat that a 'woman makes 82 percent of what a man makes' with a grain of salt (at least in the United States-in many countries sexism can be more blatant and women can be at a severe disadvantage). More women tend to choose careers that make less money (due to their interests) than men who often choose careers that afford higher salaries. For a valid comparison of salary one has to look at what a woman makes vs. what a man makes for the same position.

When I was an undergrad I took humanities classes where I noticed females often outnumbered men 3 to 1. Likewise when I went to an engineering class men outnumbered women often by as much as 4 to 1. Now take a guess who earns more? Someone (man or woman) who comes out of college with an engineering degree or someone who received a degree in the humanities like english or philosophy? Not that there is anything wrong with a degree in the humanitities...in my opinion it is better to enjoy what you do then to make a lot of money and hate your job (just don't expect to make as much as the aforementioned engineer straight off the bat).

I think if you would compare a male and a female in the same company with the same job title you would probably find less discrepancy in the salary between the sexes than the stats you provided suggest (fyi-on average the entry level position for a female mechanical engineer is actually paid a higher initial salary than the entry level position for a male...probably due to less females choosing this profession).

Now do women get passed up for promotion because of their sex? I am sure it still happens to this day but the same could be said for minorities (or even people who are unattractive Lol-supposedly a true statistic). The world is not fair but I do believe the statistic you threw out is a bogus one if you actually put it in a more realistic context. Another interesting statistic is that way more men are homeless than women. Heres another-More women are going to college than men so within the next 20 to 30 years it is a possiblility that females will become the main breadwinner. Now am I supposed to feel sorry for American women? Overall I think they have the same opportunities as I do to make something of myself (I'm a Latin male who grew up poor and made something of myself-I'm sure there are many white women who grew up in a better situation than I did). I am just tired of hearing the excuses of both men and women why they can't make something of themselves. I know this is an old post but this subject kind of ticked me off! (end rant) :)

zeot said...

Wow travis,
The intelligence and experience of your every day 14 year old.

a) Granted, a male LMT / RMT probably wouldn't make it doing what CJ does, a NON licensed Erotic Masseuse wouldn't probably do as well either. If you DID read, you would know that only 5 minutes consists of the hand job... That being said, we've already figured out that it's about 10 - 20% of her hour is the HJ, the rest is all massage. Do you really think she would win over all the FS places if she wasn't a good masseuse? Do you think she massages peoples shoulders with her clit? Thats definitely a skill i'd want to see.

All that being said i think her training and skills as a masseuse, AND her insight and ability to train herself further, is what allows her to make her "80$/hr".


Sorry I only read half of the comments and got tired of reading travis' nonsense so i had to post something. I'm only half way through the blog, i hope he talks more shit through out so i can keep posting :P

Nice work, love your Blog CJ.

Come visit Toronto ;)